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Previously on The Hack...

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Think who edited the paper.
Think about where he sits now.

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MAX: I mean, I know Andy Coulson.

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Him sitting next to the Prime
Minister, that's wrong in every way.

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NICK: The police have
Mulcaire's notebooks.

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If we can get them
into the public eye,

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we'll see who hired who,
how high this goes,

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who was being hacked.

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Just be safe with yourself.
Just be safe.

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It's the Daniel Morgan case.

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We've had some witnesses
finally come forward.

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PHONE RINGS

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You cannot be taking phone calls
from a protected witness.

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From today, you will have no further
contact with Gary Eaton, whatsoever.

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Max, we've got them on the rack.

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You settle, the whole thing
gets covered up again.

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You've got them on the rack?
With what?

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The Murdochs agreed to pay Clifford
more than £1 million.

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Our biggest gun was spiked.

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DAVID CAMERON: Our liberal
Conservative government

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will take Britain
in a historic new direction,

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a direction of hope and unity,

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conviction and common purpose.

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I'm delighted to be standing here
with the new Deputy Prime Minister,

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and I would like now to invite him
to speak to us

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on what I think is a remarkable
and very welcome day.

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Thank you, David.

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We've just been through
an election campaign,

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and now we have a coalition.

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Until today, we were rivals,
and now we're colleagues.

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NICK: It is unusual.
ALAN: And it'll cost you.

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All that work given
to someone else's byline.

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Finding it a little bit hard
to get my head around.

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Look.

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The BBC are playing it on repeat.

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I've watched it 15 times,
and it was sickening the first time.

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Andy Coulson now sits
at the right-hand side of God.

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There's a direct link
between Number 10 and Murdoch.

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I don't like that whisper chain.
We need our...

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We need our own coalition.
We need allies.

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We have allies. I'm assembling
a huge team of lawyers.

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People are working together.
No, we need allies in the press.

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You don't think I've tried?
Nobody will touch it.

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Thank you. Erm...

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Well, they won't on Fleet Street,

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but I've always thought a lot
of Glen Campbell.

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I think Panorama will bite.

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No, no, no. The BBC won't risk
a battle with Murdoch.

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But then there's Dispatches, maybe,
and internationally, Bill Keller.

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You can't think The New York Times
would want to be involved.

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Murdoch's hold
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is galling to Bill.
I think he could.

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Well, I... If I've got resources,
of course, but...

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Alan, they won't share back.

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TV hacks might,
but The New York Times...

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This will always be
your story, Nick.

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No, it's bigger than that... me.

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SIGHS: I can't make friends
at school, why not a pen pal?

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I get it. Yeah.

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Yep, I get it. It's a good idea.
It's a necessary idea.

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Good.

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So, Nick Davies and The Guardian
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but winning the war.

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Steve.
STEVE: Yeah.

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GAVEL HAMMERING

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JUDGE: I'm aware
that it has taken us a few years

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to get to this point,
and many of us are eager

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to draw these pre-trial hearings
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But, I'm afraid,
a new matter has arisen

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that requires our attention.

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Last night, an application was made
by the counsel for the defendants

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as regards a possible irregularity

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in the conduct
of this investigation

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in relation to the prosecution
witness Mr Gary Eaton.

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In order to resolve this,

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it is my view that we must spend
some time hearing evidence directly

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from DCS David Cook
and the officers in his team,

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which will begin on Monday.

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DAVE: 'These rules are ridiculous.'

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MORTIMER: They are tight.
No conferring with colleagues?

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I mean, I work with these officers
day in, day out.

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They don't want you to prepare,
basically.

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It's known as an ambush defence.

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And they want me to tell them
everything about Gary Eaton?

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While the suspects
are sitting right there?

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If the judge does decide
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it would be a significant setback.

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Oh, losing Gary Eaton
would be a fucking disaster.

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So we do what the judge tells us to.

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All you have to do
is answer the questions.

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Dave will be fine.
He's good in the spotlight.

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And while you sit in the spotlight,
boy scout behaviour.

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Day in, day out. Agreed?

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The defence could put you
under surveillance.

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They could track your car,
your phone.

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They'd love nothing more
than to catch you out.

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These men have been under arrest
for over a year.

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This is a fucking farce.

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Nothing to do with truth,
nothing to do with justice.

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We do the best we can
within the system we've got.

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CHATTER

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What do you call three Pulitzer
Prize winners sitting in a row?

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A murder? An ambush? An armada?

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Do you really call them "help"?

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This is, er, quite something.

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It's remarkable journalism, Nick.
Thank you.

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Any chance they're doing it
in America, too?

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A few suspected names.

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Nothing firm. It's all in there.

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You've no-one on record
from News Of The World? No.

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But plenty off the record.
Am I right?

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She's trying to get you to reveal
who your Mr Apollo is.

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Oh, I see, you think he's a News
International insider. Interesting.

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Erm, but, no, not sharing.

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And frankly, even if I wanted to,
he's disappeared.

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Do you have an angle? The...
You... Paper...

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Well, Bill's instincts were,
er, Royal Family,

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Murdochs, press intrusion.
In that order?

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We'll find our way.

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It's important no-one can say
that we colluded with you

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or were baby-fed
just to stand your story up.

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You're not here
to stand my story up.

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I wasn't saying that.
We further each other's stories.

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Anything new we get, we know
you're the keeper of the flame.

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We'll bring you in.

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I'd say likewise,
but I've given you all I have.

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EXHALES

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TOILET FLUSHES

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I don't know
when this started either.

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DOOR CREAKS OPEN

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CUBICLE DOOR OPENS,
CLOSES

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MAN URINATING

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Erm, you might get a call
from The New York Times

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in the next few days.

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New York Times? Fancy.

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They're getting involved.
We're giving them what we have.

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Two newspapers are better than one.

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You know, Nick, when I look at the
kids who come around for playdates,

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I instinctively know who are good at
sharing and who aren't, and you...

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Alan thinks it's a good idea.
I think it's a good idea.

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Oh, you weren't very good
at sharing at all, were you?

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I'm not done.

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They'll do their thing.

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It actually makes it easier
to pursue.

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And I was actually quite good
at football as a kid, so...

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That's what I'd have done
at your playdate.

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I'd have found a ball and kicked it.
I didn't care about toys.

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Anyway, I have an idea.

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So, Harry Evans wrote in his memoir
about a plane crash.

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I don't know Harry Evans.

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Editor of The Sunday Times,
from 1967 to '81. Newspaper legend.

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Doesn't that mean
he worked for Murdoch?

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Oh, they didn't get on.
Murdoch fired him?

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Eventually. Actually, first he
promoted him, gave him editorship.

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That's not...
He's the hero in this story?

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I haven't told the story.
Well, your eyes imply he's the hero.

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The DC-10, in Paris, passenger jet.

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There was clearly a problem
with the manufacture of the plane,

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but Harry couldn't print.
Without evidence.

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Exactly. So Harry got his reporters
to intervene.

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Linked the bereaved families

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with highly effective lawyers
in the US,

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because US courts were more likely
to order McDonnell Douglas

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to disclose internal paperwork.

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My plan is to do the same.

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Haven't we already tried that
with Max Clifford?

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No, no. Then you involve me
in your case, very kindly.

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Now I'm going to recruit for you.

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So, they bribed Max.

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They won't be able to stop
an army of people.

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If I can get a list of the hacked
and encourage them to come forward,

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we can flood the courts.

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I can't see you as a footballer.

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Fuck off.

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Look, Andy Coulson created
a culture at the News Of The World.

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To prove he did so, we need to get
as many of his top journalists

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implicated as possible.

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Mulcaire's notes
had Clive Goodman's name

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written at the top -
it's court record.

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So if we can find the other editors
who commissioned him...

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Come on, it's time to get nuclear,
don't you think?

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The inevitable dig followed.

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I had to identify,
with the help of my furry friend,

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every celebrity, politician
and sports star they'd gone after.

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High ranking, the low ranking.
The illustrious, the audacious.

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And then I had to persuade
those people to fight.

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Like MP Tessa Jowell.

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Yes, I have been spoken to
by the police.

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All the dirt they had on
your ex-husband came from hacking.

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And ruined my marriage, I am aware.

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I'd like to publish an article
about your experiences,

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and I'd like you to consider
pursuing it further in court.

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I have good lawyer recommendations.
But that would mean stirring it up.

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We've struggled enough.

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Please, leave it alone.

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I had proof that Charles Clarke
had been hacked.

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I told a friend who knew him
to tell him. My friend said...

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He's not willing to engage.

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With Charlotte's help,
I identified a dozen law firms

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who specialised
in representing celebrities.

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I contacted all of them.

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I wish I could tell you their names.

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I'm getting nothing.
Nothing?

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They're busy.

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They're worried about
reviving an embarrassing story.

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They can't afford it. But mostly...

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Mostly, they're frightened.

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I've heard rumours
about Nicole Kidman.

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Hello, Charlotte.
Nice to meet you.

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A charming lawyer. How nice.

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Nicole's lawyer is John Kelly.

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Have you met John Kelly?

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No, she wasn't warned by the police.

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And, no,
she won't be meeting with you

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or any other journalist.

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Mr Kelly, this is worth pursuing.
For Nicole, for all your clients.

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It's still a no, I'm afraid.

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A hard no.

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Her trustees say no.

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Mark Thompson came about
because two of his clients,

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one of whom was Big Brother's
Jade Goody, had been hacked.

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Jade had died of cancer.

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They're not interested
in pursuing a case.

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Perhaps I could talk to them.

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Because you're more persuasive
than me?

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I get it. You're desperate.

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There is another... someone.
I can't give you her name.

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We called her "AZP".

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She's very angry.

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They've ruined her life.
She's leaning into all this.

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I'd love to...
Yeah, of course you fucking would.

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And if she's brave enough
to talk more,

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then you'll hear more.
But until then...

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They're just all so scared.

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They are profoundly scared.

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DRAPERSON: Mr Cook, do you accept
that a number of rules

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were broken
with regard to Gary Eaton?

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DAVE: I do.

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And the issue for the judge
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is the spirit
in which these rules were broken.

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Were they broken in bad faith,
or was it done transparently

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and in the interests of justice?

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Those are the two sides that
we are litigating at the moment.

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You understand that?
Yes, I do.

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Let us begin with
your initial meeting with Mr Eaton.

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It's been suggested
that you led the witness

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during this conversation.

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I think it's important for me to say

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that I never wanted to meet
with Mr Eaton in the first place.

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He insisted he would only speak
with me, so I went along.

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And the job is to find out
if he was valid.

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And to do that, you have to ask
some probing questions.

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"Give me the name of the brothers."

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That's hardly a probing question,
is it, Mr Cook?

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He wasn't interested in any brothers
at all, was he?

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You gave him the brothers.

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I gave him the brothers.

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I did not give him
the name of the brothers.

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You were aware at that first meeting
of how important it was

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to preserve the integrity
of the process?

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And that's what I thought
we were doing. It was all recorded.

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And we all have the transcripts
here before us.

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But that wasn't my question.

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It was a simple question.

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Let's try another.

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Do you accept that by having direct
phone conversations with a witness,

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you were breaching
the sterile corridor system?

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Yes, I do. But I would say
that this was a particularly

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difficult set of circumstances.
Wasn't difficult at all.

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All you had to do was say
to this man, "I'm sorry,

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"the rules are, I'm not allowed
to have direct contact with you.

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"You have your own
witness protection handler.

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"They can sort out
any problems you may have,

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"but from now on,
you must not ring me,

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"and if you do,
my phone will bar you."

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And that is what I did
on several occasions.

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Did you ever bar Gary Eaton
from calling your phone?

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It's not always possible
on every type of phone.

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Are you saying
that it's not possible

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from a Metropolitan Police phone?

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It's... It's a terribly
simple question.

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He changed his number.
I didn't know his number.

283
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I'd like to turn now to the issue
of your note taking.

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My Lord, between August the 23rd...
EARS RINGING

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..and the 16th of September, 2006,

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not one of Mr Cook's numerous
telephone calls to Eaton

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appears on the schedule.

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Mr Cook, do you mind telling us

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how it is that between the 23rd
of August and the 16th of September,

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you managed to make so many calls
without recording any of them?

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From memory, the vast majority,
if not all,

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were to do with Mr Eaton's welfare -

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his domestics, stuff like that,
nuisance stuff.

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But you accept, do you not,

295
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that the court has no way of knowing
what was said during these calls?

296
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I accept that. And, my Lord,
do you mind if I sit down?

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I suffer from vertigo.

298
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Please.

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Let us look at tab number nine.

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We can see top line...
EARS RINGING

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..that the debrief begins
on the 1st of August.

302
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We can see
that it's followed the next day

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by a call which is 15 minutes long.

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That one is logged.

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Then, on the 28th of August,

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there's a nine-minute call,
which is not logged.

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Then, on the 1st of September,
Eaton suddenly changes his story.

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He says for the first time

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that he was at the scene
of the murder.

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Well, what are you suggesting?

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I'm suggesting that that may not be
a coincidence, Mr Cook.

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I suppose you're going to deny it

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and say that it is
just a coincidence?

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You're going to deny that,
during these unlogged calls,

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you were feeding Mr Eaton his story?

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And why would I do that?

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This case has been causing
the Metropolitan Police

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untold embarrassment
for over two decades.

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You were desperate to nail someone.

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Of course,
if you think you have somebody

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who may be an eyewitness,
you embrace them with both arms.

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But you allowed this dishonest,
mentally ill man

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to run riot over your investigation.

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Not only that,
but you manipulated him

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because he was easily manipulable

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and because he was your one way
of bringing this case back to life

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and ending your career
with a real coup.

328
00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:24,960
Isn't that what has gone on here,
Mr Cook?

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You could not be further
from the truth, sir.

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SIGHS

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GLASSES CLINKING

332
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If you haven't changed your ways.

333
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No chance. Thanks.

334
00:17:06,960 --> 00:17:07,960
Can you still win?

335
00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,960
Now that we've lost Gary Eaton,
the entire case...

336
00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:12,960
rests on two witnesses.

337
00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:15,960
Lindsey Wright,
Jimmy Cook's ex-girlfriend,

338
00:17:15,960 --> 00:17:17,480
who is basically
a fucking nightmare...

339
00:17:18,960 --> 00:17:21,960
..and James Ward,
our original supergrass,

340
00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,960
who's erratic at best.

341
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Nine days
they kept me on that stand.

342
00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,960
On day one,
I really thought I could win.

343
00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:34,960
Hoped.
Yeah, I remember hope.

344
00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,960
I'm sorry they did that to you.

345
00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:41,960
You didn't deserve it.
Ah, maybe I did.

346
00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:49,800
So, what about you?
Can you, erm... win?

347
00:17:50,960 --> 00:17:53,960
Journalism isn't about
winning or losing.

348
00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,160
It's about the gradual erosion
of self-worth.

349
00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,960
Alan's given the story to Panorama
and The New York Times,

350
00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:04,960
and he's probably right because
I can't get anyone to go to court,

351
00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,960
which means we can't...

352
00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,800
I... I thought I had a way
to get to Mulcaire's notes.

353
00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,320
I thought I was finally
getting somewhere,

354
00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,960
but like everything I try...
BLOWS RASPBERRY

355
00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:20,160
What about Jonathan Rees?

356
00:18:20,160 --> 00:18:22,640
Surely he's just as bad as Mulcaire?

357
00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:23,960
He's on trial,
if you haven't noticed.

358
00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:27,000
We raided his house a few years ago.

359
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:29,800
We found invoices on his desk.

360
00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:32,160
Rees to Alex Marunchak
and the News Of The World.

361
00:18:32,160 --> 00:18:35,960
Rees went to prison for conspiring
to pervert the course of justice,

362
00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,960
came out and went right back
into the employ

363
00:18:38,960 --> 00:18:41,960
of News Of The World,
while Andy Coulson was the editor.

364
00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,960
Under Coulson, News Of The World
employed a convicted criminal?

365
00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,960
Now, this fell into your lap, OK?

366
00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,960
You can't quote me.

367
00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,960
You can't name Rees.

368
00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,960
But you can use this to nail them.

369
00:18:59,960 --> 00:19:01,960
This could get you
in serious trouble.

370
00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,960
I'm already in serious trouble.

371
00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,960
ALAN: So, you're calling
Jonathan Rees "Mr A"?

372
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:19,960
I think it's my best pseudonym yet.

373
00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,800
I can't name him
till after the Morgan trial.

374
00:19:22,800 --> 00:19:25,960
It's very tenuous, legally,
even to hide him under a pseudonym.

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00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:27,960
His lawyers can claim
contempt of court.

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00:19:27,960 --> 00:19:29,960
Coulson being in government
is a contempt.

377
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,960
It's a good story. Does it stand up?
My source is solid.

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00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,960
Jonathan Rees was imprisoned

379
00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:38,480
for conspiring to pervert
the course of justice.

380
00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,960
And the News Of The World
rehired him.

381
00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:43,000
After he was released from prison
while Coulson was editor.

382
00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:45,960
Feels a good one.

383
00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,800
We'll need to give Coulson
right of reply. Ugh!

384
00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,960
This is the most archaic practice,
giving people quotes,

385
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:52,960
in articles against them.

386
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,320
It's just free advertising space
for their lies.

387
00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:56,960
I think it's necessary.

388
00:19:56,960 --> 00:19:59,960
If we publish his right of reply,
we'll be misleading our readers.

389
00:19:59,960 --> 00:20:01,960
Whatever the fight,
I think it's better to stick

390
00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:03,960
to established journalist practice,
don't you?

391
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,320
What do you know about journalism?
You're a lawyer. Nick.

392
00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:07,960
Could you talk to her
with a bit more respect?

393
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,800
Oh, fuck off, with respect.
Nick. Nick.

394
00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:12,960
Sorry. Sorry, Rufus. Sorry, Gill.

395
00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:14,960
I know how vital
you are to all this.

396
00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:16,960
Just... busy time, busy head.

397
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:20,960
I'll... alert some people.

398
00:20:20,960 --> 00:20:24,320
Go backstairs.
I know this will spread.

399
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,000
The other newspapers,
they can't ignore this.

400
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,960
It has to.

401
00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:29,000
Gill?

402
00:20:29,000 --> 00:20:30,960
If he gets the quote from Coulson,

403
00:20:30,960 --> 00:20:32,960
I think we can argue
public interest.

404
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:36,000
I agree.
Thank you. This is good.

405
00:20:39,960 --> 00:20:43,960
Whoever your source is,
this is good.

406
00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:45,960
BELL RINGS,
WHIRRING

407
00:20:57,960 --> 00:20:59,960
PHONES RINGING,
CHATTER

408
00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,960
Would it surprise you to know
it didn't spread?

409
00:21:05,960 --> 00:21:10,160
All the other newspapers
ignored the Mr A story.

410
00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,480
You'll get them next time.

411
00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:23,960
The trouble with next time...
SIGHS

412
00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:27,960
The trouble with...

413
00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,960
ECHOING: You'll get them next time.

414
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,960
I don't have a next time.

415
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,960
NICK'S MOTHER: You stupid child.

416
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,960
Nicholas! Nicholas,
don't be dramatic, Nicholas.

417
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:40,960
Let's get a washcloth
for that blood, shall we?

418
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,960
I don't have a next time.

419
00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,960
MOBILE BUZZING

420
00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,000
Er, Nick Davies.

421
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,960
Nick. It's Jo Becker.

422
00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:58,960
'New York Times.'
Oh. Yeah, hi.

423
00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:02,960
'Is now not a good time?'
No, it's fine. How can I help?

424
00:22:02,960 --> 00:22:03,960
We're going to publish.

425
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:05,960
Great. What?

426
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,960
Sean Hoare is going on the record.

427
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,320
'He's a genuine insider.'

428
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,480
Oh, more than that,
he's Coulson's friend.

429
00:22:12,480 --> 00:22:14,640
They worked
the celebrity Bizarre column

430
00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:15,960
that Coulson made his name on.

431
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,960
'What did he say?'
Well, he talked about Coulson a lot.

432
00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:22,960
I had a good relationship with him,
as it goes.

433
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,800
Yeah, I could do the fuck I wanted

434
00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:26,960
as long as I came in
with a good story.

435
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:29,960
The brief was...

436
00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:34,960
.."I don't give a fuck."

437
00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:37,960
The News Of The World meetings
sound more fun than Guardian ones.

438
00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:40,960
'You're not wrong.
But I asked him...'

439
00:22:40,960 --> 00:22:43,960
Did he know what's going on?
Coulson?

440
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:46,960
The New York Times
over here on this, are they?

441
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,800
Yes.
Oh. Why?

442
00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,960
We want to investigate whether
an ethical line has been crossed.

443
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,960
Fuck me,
you sound like The Guardian.

444
00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,960
You don't think The Guardian
are valid?

445
00:22:57,960 --> 00:22:59,960
I think The Guardian
are being beautiful beings,

446
00:22:59,960 --> 00:23:02,960
gazing down from their mighty
high horses, the pious fucks.

447
00:23:02,960 --> 00:23:05,960
You know, but the thing about you,
you see, is that you...

448
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:11,960
You're foreign, so I like you.

449
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:13,960
CHUCKLES

450
00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:21,960
I, personally... played voicemail
recordings to the bastard

451
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,960
when we worked together
at The Sun and the Screws.

452
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,960
You played recordings to Coulson?

453
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:29,960
Sean...

454
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:31,960
..is that on the record?

455
00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:40,960
SNIFFS

456
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:48,960
I want a New York Mets top.
I'm sorry?

457
00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,960
I want a New York Mets top,
and then it's on the record.

458
00:23:53,960 --> 00:23:54,960
OK.

459
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:57,960
Yeah?

460
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:00,640
Sure.
Great.

461
00:24:02,960 --> 00:24:05,480
So what do you say
we go completely crazy

462
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:06,960
and have another orange juice?

463
00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:09,160
Thank you.

464
00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,640
This is very good.

465
00:24:27,640 --> 00:24:31,160
I don't think they made clear
the link with Coulson.

466
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:32,960
It's good journalism, but it's...

467
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,960
I love an intimate party, Nick,
but it is nice, don't you think,

468
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,800
to have at least some other people
who want to be there?

469
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,960
This is The New York Times.

470
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:43,960
It's going to be a lot harder
to fight us both.

471
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,960
This matters.

472
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:49,800
Yeah.

473
00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:53,000
It was an extremely good piece.
It...

474
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,960
The way it...

475
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:57,960
It was extremely good.
And what happened next...

476
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,960
Alan was right -
it made everybody braver.

477
00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:02,960
Celebrities began to look up.

478
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,960
For instance, Charlotte Harris began
to get somewhere with a client -

479
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:06,960
football agent Sky Andrew.

480
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:09,480
They offered him £200,000 a year

481
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,960
and £1.2 million in free advertising
for a charity if he'd drop his case.

482
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:15,160
And?
He said no.

483
00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,960
People were willing to fight.
Most unusual people.

484
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,960
Hi. Nick Davies.
Max Mosley. I'm a fan of your work.

485
00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,960
Then Max Mosley
did something extraordinary.

486
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,960
To be clear,
we didn't meet at The Guardian,

487
00:25:27,960 --> 00:25:28,960
but this setting will do.

488
00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:30,960
I'd like to back, financially,

489
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,960
anyone wishing to bring a case
against the News Of The World,

490
00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:36,960
indemnify them
against costs and damages.

491
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:38,960
Max, that could be millions.

492
00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:42,960
I'm guessing you saw it.

493
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:46,480
Nazi sex orgy, photos of me.

494
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,960
It was not Nazi.

495
00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:50,960
It was consenting,
but they didn't care.

496
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,960
I sued, I got a small reward.
I survived.

497
00:25:56,960 --> 00:25:59,960
My son... didn't.

498
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:04,960
A heroin overdose, one year
after the story was published.

499
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:07,960
I'm sorry.

500
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:12,960
They can attack us.
But when our children are damaged...

501
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:18,960
But are you sure that this is what
you want to spend your fortune on?

502
00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:19,960
CHUCKLES SOFTLY

503
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,800
You underestimate my fortune,
Mr Davies.

504
00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:24,960
And my anger.

505
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,960
The world started to unfurl
before us.

506
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,960
The strategy started to work.

507
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,960
Allies were...

508
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,480
well, not exactly everywhere
but gathering. And then...

509
00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,160
The game changed.
Mark Thompson got in touch.

510
00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:43,800
His client, AZP...
Do you remember AZP?

511
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:46,480
Well, apparently she loved
The New York Times piece

512
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,960
and the Mr A story,
and she wanted to meet.

513
00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,960
Oh, and AZP, she is...

514
00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,960
Sienna Miller, meet Nick Davies.
Pleasure to meet you.

515
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,960
Yes - actor, tabloid magnet.

516
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:00,960
Our ace card.

517
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:02,960
He knows it's coming.

518
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,160
Everyone's been whispering to her
to stop.

519
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:07,320
All of Hollywood.

520
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:09,960
Some roles are being withdrawn.

521
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,960
Others are being promised
if she just lets it go.

522
00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:14,960
But you've decided to keep fighting.

523
00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:18,320
They've also said, they've told me

524
00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:20,960
that there is more muck on me
they'd use.

525
00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,960
CHUCKLES: Which is, I mean,
probably true,

526
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:25,960
but, I mean,
how can they print anything worse?

527
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,960
All the papers are after her.

528
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,480
Can I ask...
Sienna, can I ask what happened?

529
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,960
I... I can't go into the...
the details.

530
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,960
And I really don't want to pry,
but what...

531
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,800
What were they digging for?

532
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,320
Erm...

533
00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:47,800
SHE LAUGHS

534
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:52,800
Seemingly, erm, well, anything
about me is, er, interesting.

535
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:55,960
The restaurants I go to,
what I wear,

536
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,960
people... people I meet.

537
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:04,640
But it seems their attention
was particularly grabbed

538
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:06,640
by, I, erm...

539
00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,960
I got, er...
BREATHES HEAVILY

540
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,960
I got pregnant, and, erm,
I had a decision...

541
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:17,960
..to make. You understand?

542
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,960
Mm.
And...

543
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:25,960
Well, at that time, when you're...
when you're dealing with that,

544
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,960
you need people that you can trust,
and I didn't, I didn't trust anyone.

545
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,960
I thought that they were
all selling stories about me

546
00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:35,320
because they knew everything.

547
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:39,960
And I couldn't work out why.
I couldn't work out why

548
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:44,960
anything I told my friends or family
was being leaked.

549
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,960
I thought, I mean, I...
SIGHS

550
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:49,960
I started to, erm...

551
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:51,960
Yeah.

552
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:54,960
Mmm.

553
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:56,960
I, er...

554
00:28:59,960 --> 00:29:02,960
The number of people that I trusted
grew smaller and smaller

555
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:06,160
until there was almost
no-one at all.

556
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:08,960
I didn't know which way was up.
Not any more.

557
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:11,960
I drank too much,
did all the wrong things,

558
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:14,960
damaged my career, damaged myself.

559
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:16,960
And they feasted on it.

560
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:18,960
Was this Mulcaire?

561
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,960
We don't know.
We don't know who was doing what.

562
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,000
All we know is the results of it.

563
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:26,960
SHE SNIFFS
The thing that I was most, erm...

564
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:30,960
..sorry about was that I, erm...

565
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:34,960
..I damaged my family.

566
00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,320
Once it was all, erm...

567
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,960
INHALES DEEPLY,
EXHALES

568
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,000
I only, basically, told my mum.

569
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:51,960
SIGHS

570
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,960
And they still found out.
SNIFFS

571
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:57,960
And they published,
and I thought it was her.

572
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,480
SHAKILY: And the things
I said to her, you know?

573
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:08,960
SHE INHALES
Must have been horrible.

574
00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:12,640
But I'm a celebrity.
CHUCKLES

575
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:14,960
I chose all this.
It's not their fault.

576
00:30:14,960 --> 00:30:16,960
It's in the public interest. Hmm?

577
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:20,960
We're taking this all the way.
Good.

578
00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:24,960
Mm-hm.
Thank you.

579
00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:30,960
DAVE:
'We're gonna have to disclose this.'

580
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,960
I'm afraid there's no choice.

581
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,960
But I ain't done nothing.

582
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:36,960
Lindsey, your entire
search history's here.

583
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,960
We can see what you searched
and when you searched it.

584
00:30:39,960 --> 00:30:43,960
But... I'm allowed to be curious,
ain't I?

585
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,960
Not against the law to be curious.
Look...

586
00:30:46,960 --> 00:30:51,960
you're accusing Jimmy Cook
of over 30 separate murders.

587
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,000
And each time you change a statement
and say you remember a new murder,

588
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,960
it comes off the back
of an internet search

589
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:00,960
on how to commit
that particular type of murder.

590
00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,960
Disclosing this means
that we can no longer

591
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,960
put you forward
as a witness of truth.

592
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,960
And I'm afraid, Lindsey...

593
00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:12,960
I'm afraid we lost
the only other witness

594
00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,960
who had evidence on Jimmy.

595
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,960
So your statement...

596
00:31:18,160 --> 00:31:19,960
..that was all the prosecution
had to go on.

597
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:21,000
GAVEL HAMMERS

598
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,320
JUDGE:
'James Frederick William Cook.'

599
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:24,960
No.
'Stand, please.'

600
00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,960
I direct a verdict of not guilty

601
00:31:29,960 --> 00:31:34,160
in respect of count one,
and you are now free to go.

602
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,960
'No, no, no, no, no, no.
What if he...?

603
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:43,640
'Oh, shit!'

604
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,960
I'm now number one target.
You know that?

605
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:47,960
How could you let this happen?

606
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:51,000
How could you let this happen?!

607
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:54,960
SHE SOBS

608
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,960
TEACUP CLINKING
You take sugar?

609
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,960
GLEN: Er, just half.

610
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:10,960
And a splash of milk. Thanks.

611
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,000
TEA POURING

612
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,960
Erm, how long you been here, then?
Moved in a while ago.

613
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:22,960
I know, I just haven't time to...
SIGHS

614
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,960
There's a sofa coming.
Thanks.

615
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,640
Yeah, I was actually
pretty shocked when I heard.

616
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,000
You and Jacqui always seemed...
solid.

617
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:37,960
Aye.

618
00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:41,960
Heard you and Vicky got married.
That's great.

619
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,960
We invited you to the wedding,
but you never RSVP'd.

620
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,160
Did you?

621
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,960
I'm so... I'm so sorry.
It's just that...

622
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,960
I've been...
I've been busy, frantic. Work, life.

623
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:56,960
I know.

624
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,480
It's what you get for having friends
who are coppers.

625
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,320
They disappear on you
for years on end.

626
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:03,960
So we're still pals?

627
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,960
But that's not why you're here.
You want something.

628
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,960
Alan Rusbridger and The Guardian
have been in touch

629
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:14,320
with us at Panorama.

630
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:15,960
It's the hacking stuff.

631
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:18,960
But there's also this story on
Jonathan Rees they've been pushing.

632
00:33:18,960 --> 00:33:22,960
I know you've been on Daniel Morgan,
so... Rees is your bag, right?

633
00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:28,960
Look, I'm sorry.
We can talk about other things.

634
00:33:28,960 --> 00:33:31,160
I'll take my BBC hat off.

635
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:33,320
Genuinely, I wanted to see you.

636
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,000
How are you, you know...

637
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:40,960
..coping?

638
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,640
Well, it's strange.

639
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,960
House without kids, pretty quiet.

640
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:54,960
Think I need to get better
at filling in the time.

641
00:33:59,960 --> 00:34:02,960
NICK: We should be aiming
for a coalition of lawyers.

642
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:04,320
Coalition? Are we in government now?

643
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,960
I have other friendly lawyers
with very high-profile clients.

644
00:34:06,960 --> 00:34:08,960
I do know who you're...
With the Sky Andrew case

645
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:11,960
progressing under your watch, he's
still not accepting their terms.

646
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:13,960
No. Max Mosley has promised
to financially back

647
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:15,320
any client who comes forward.

648
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,960
Surely, we can encourage them all
to come forward now.

649
00:34:17,960 --> 00:34:20,480
Nick, breathe. OK?

650
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:24,960
You are constantly swaying
between utter despair and this.

651
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:28,960
It's exhausting. The law takes time.

652
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,800
We are building something.
Let it fucking build.

653
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,960
Stop worrying about The New York
Times getting there before you.

654
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,640
This is your case. Not worried
about The New York Times.

655
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:38,960
I don't have Sienna Miller
as a client.

656
00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:40,960
You don't have Sean Hoare
in your pocket.

657
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,960
But we are all working together.

658
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:44,320
Stop doing that thing
with your hands.

659
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:48,160
I have another one for you,
a former politician.

660
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,320
Apparently, he's had sight
of Mulcaire's notebook.

661
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,960
Now, I've been reluctant
to share him because...

662
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:56,960
well, I think he's tricky.

663
00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:58,960
But you want everyone, so...

664
00:34:59,960 --> 00:35:02,960
What I'm interested in
is in Mulcaire's notebooks.

665
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,960
I have no interest in what it shows,

666
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,000
but there'll be a name
at the top corner of the notes,

667
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,960
which is the name of someone
at the News Of The World.

668
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,960
Have you read
what The Guardian has written

669
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:14,960
about me, about this case?

670
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,960
Tommy Sheridan, a defamation case
which became a perjury case.

671
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,960
Process of disclosure on which
allowed him access to Mulcaire

672
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:22,960
and to his paperwork.

673
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,960
And he's right - The Guardian
haven't been kind about him.

674
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,960
What I'm looking to do
is to build a case

675
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,960
against Andy Coulson and the culture
at the News Of The World,

676
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,960
that the hacking was endemic...
Yes, there's a name.

677
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,960
No, you can't see it.
And you certainly can't print it.

678
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:42,960
I don't trust journalists, Nick.
Not any more.

679
00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:44,960
OK, the name is important

680
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,960
because it undermines
the "one rogue reporter" argument

681
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:49,960
which Coulson keeps hiding behind.

682
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:53,800
So the more editors and
senior journalists we can implicate,

683
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:54,960
the more we show them lying.

684
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,960
EXHALES

685
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:03,960
Greg Miskiw.

686
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:06,960
Greg Miskiw. Are you sure?

687
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,960
I didn't tell you,
and you're not printing it.

688
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,480
Greg Miskiw was news editor
and later assistant editor.

689
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,960
He's retired now,
but he reported directly to Coulson.

690
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:18,960
I know who Greg Miskiw is, Nick.
Do you know how significant this is?

691
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,480
This could blow the lid off.
This has to be off the record.

692
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,960
Do I understand that you're
representing yourself in court?

693
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,320
Yes.
What if I was to help you?

694
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:36,960
Go on.

695
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,960
There's very little
I know a lot about,

696
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:39,960
but this issue is one of them.

697
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,000
I can feed you questions, help with
your research, all for nothing.

698
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,960
For the name in the notebook?
That name is dynamite.

699
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:47,960
Greg Miskiw is dynamite.

700
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,160
And you can print it
because it's been stated in court.

701
00:36:50,160 --> 00:36:52,960
And I have an idea
who you should call as a witness.

702
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:54,960
Go on.

703
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:56,960
Andy Coulson.

704
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,960
DOOR SLAMS

705
00:36:59,960 --> 00:37:01,320
You're a traitor.

706
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,960
Start by asking him
about Greg Miskiw.

707
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:07,160
He'll deny any knowledge.

708
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,960
Mr Coulson...

709
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:10,800
..these are the written notes

710
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,960
of the former News Of The World
employee Glenn Mulcaire.

711
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:16,960
Contractor. Not employee.

712
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:18,960
Mr Coulson,
do you recognise the name

713
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:20,960
at the top left-hand corner
of the page?

714
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,800
It says "Greg".

715
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:23,960
This is the big one.

716
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:26,960
Do you think that name refers

717
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,960
to the former assistant editor,
Greg Miskiw?

718
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:31,960
No. Not to my knowledge, no.

719
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:35,960
Do you have any knowledge of
Greg Miskiw ordering Glenn Mulcaire

720
00:37:35,960 --> 00:37:37,960
to hack Tommy Sheridan's phone?

721
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:39,960
Are you telling me
that you never ordered,

722
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,160
or were unaware
of Greg Miskiw ordering,

723
00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:44,960
Mr Mulcaire to tap my phone?

724
00:37:44,960 --> 00:37:47,960
No. I had absolutely
no knowledge of it, and I...

725
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:51,960
I-I certainly didn't instruct anyone
to do anything of the type.

726
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:55,960
Interesting because Sean Hoare,
in The New York Times...

727
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,960
..stated that he played you
hacked voicemails.

728
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,640
I remain confident
there is no evidence

729
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,960
to support Mr Hoare's accusations.
That's my position.

730
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,960
Do you have any comment
on why Mr Hoare

731
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,960
would have made those accusations?

732
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:08,960
You should ask Mr Hoare.

733
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:10,960
How bad was the culture
at your newspaper?

734
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,960
I don't accept there was any culture

735
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,000
of phone hacking
at the News of The World.

736
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:19,000
There was one unfortunate case
involving Clive Goodman,

737
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,960
and no-one was more sorry
about it than me.

738
00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:25,960
And that's why I resigned.

739
00:38:26,960 --> 00:38:27,960
MARK: 'Tommy Sheridan?'

740
00:38:28,960 --> 00:38:30,960
We got Miskiw's name out there.

741
00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,960
It wasn't enough,
but we're rattling Coulson's cage.

742
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,960
Well, let's see if this
sends him over the edge.

743
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,960
This was lodged in the High Court
this morning.

744
00:38:39,960 --> 00:38:41,960
Worth mentioning, in real life,
he made me go to the courthouse

745
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,000
to pick this up myself.

746
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:46,800
Possibly not worth mentioning.

747
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,960
Mulcaire blagged her phone number.
I changed my phone twice,

748
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,960
and somehow they always got it.

749
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:53,960
It wasn't just her phone
they were inside of.

750
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,960
They targeted Sienna's mother,
her boyfriend,

751
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:58,960
his assistant, her publicist.

752
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,960
We analysed my itemised phone bills,
and then we used them

753
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,320
to force the police to hand over
calls made by Mulcaire.

754
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,960
The police were sitting
on this information for four years,

755
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:08,960
I'll remind you.

756
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:11,960
John Yates, four years.

757
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:15,960
And then we linked them
to the News Of The World stories.

758
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,960
There was a name that appeared
in the top corner of Glenn's notes.

759
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,960
A name we haven't had before?

760
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,960
A name that could change everything.
Tell me the name!

761
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,960
Ian Edmondson.
Ian Edmondson?

762
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:31,960
He reported directly to Coulson.

763
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:33,960
Ian Edmondson
is the current news editor

764
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:35,960
of the News Of The World.

765
00:39:37,960 --> 00:39:40,160
MARIACHI BAND PLAYS

766
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:46,320
MUSIC CONTINUES

767
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,160
Just heard. Good work, Nick.

768
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,640
DOOR SLAMS,
MUSIC STOPS

769
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,960
MUSIC CONTINUES

770
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:30,960
MUSIC STOPS,
MOBILE BUZZES

771
00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:33,960
Sheridan?

772
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,640
SHERIDAN: 'Oh, Nick,
they couldn't get through to you,

773
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:38,960
'so, well, I don't know how hard...'
Is it the kids?

774
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,640
'No. No, no. Erm...

775
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,960
'It's about your father.

776
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:45,960
EXHALES: 'God, I'm so sorry, Nick.'

777
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:01,960
MOBILE BUZZES

778
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:09,480
Yeah, Graham?

779
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,960
'We found two crates
in an old DPS office.

780
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:14,640
'A cleaner found them.

781
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:16,960
'It's old evidence on James Ward.'

782
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,960
But we told the judge
we declared everything on Ward.

783
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:25,960
'I'm sorry.'

784
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:30,960
How bad is it?

785
00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:34,800
Now this is the end, right?

786
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,800
Do you want the official answer
or the honest answer?

787
00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:40,960
We don't survive this.

788
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:45,640
I don't understand.

789
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:48,960
How can they accuse us
of withholding evidence

790
00:41:48,960 --> 00:41:51,640
when you didn't even know
that the crates existed?

791
00:41:51,640 --> 00:41:53,960
It was a disused police building.

792
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:55,960
Nothing to do with your team, right?
Yeah.

793
00:41:57,960 --> 00:41:59,960
The office was locked for years.
Nobody knew anything about it.

794
00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:04,000
But even if we could make the case

795
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,800
that we weren't withholding
the files...

796
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:09,960
..the contents...

797
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:11,960
the details about James Ward

798
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:14,160
that he didn't originally
disclose to us...

799
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:17,480
If we'd have had the files earlier,

800
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:20,960
we may have been able
to deal with it, but...

801
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,160
all of it together, it's...

802
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,640
Years and years and years - gone.

803
00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,960
All because someone left some files
in the wrong room.

804
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:36,960
It's like everyone forgot.

805
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,960
All the people in their court.

806
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:44,480
This was supposed
to be about Daniel.

807
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,960
MUSIC: 'The Lark Ascending'
by Vaughan Williams

808
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:07,000
Hi.
SOFT CHATTER

809
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,320
You OK?
Yeah.

810
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,960
I really loved him.

811
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,000
I know.
He was everything.

812
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:23,960
It was complicated,
but I really loved him.

813
00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:29,800
PRIEST: "The Lord is my Shepherd.
I shall not want.

814
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:32,480
"He makes me lie down
in green pastures,

815
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,960
"He leads me beside still waters.

816
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,960
"He restores my soul,

817
00:43:37,960 --> 00:43:41,960
"He leads me in right paths
for His name's sake.

818
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,000
"Even though I walk
through the darkest valley,

819
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,960
"I fear no evil,

820
00:43:45,960 --> 00:43:50,800
"for You are with me, Your rod
and Your staff, they comfort me.

821
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,960
"You prepare a table before me
in the presence of my enemies.

822
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,960
"Surely goodness and mercy
shall follow me

823
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,960
"all the days of my life,

824
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,960
"and I shall dwell in the house
of the Lord my whole life long."

825
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:16,960
Hi.

826
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:26,960
On the 14th of January, 2011,
Rebekah Brooks asked her secretary

827
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:30,960
to find somewhere discreet
for her to meet Andy Coulson.

828
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,960
She did so the next day, at 7.45am,
at the Halkin Hotel in Belgravia.

829
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,960
We don't know what Brooks said
to Coulson during that meeting,

830
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,960
but we do know
that on the 21st of January,

831
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:43,960
Andy Coulson resigned.

832
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,960
He said, "Unfortunately,
continued coverage of events

833
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:49,320
"connected to my old job..."

834
00:44:49,320 --> 00:44:50,960
..at the News Of The World

835
00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:54,960
has made it difficult for me to give
the 110% needed in this role.

836
00:44:54,960 --> 00:44:57,640
I stand by what I said
about those events.

837
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:01,960
But when a spokesman
needs a spokesman,

838
00:45:01,960 --> 00:45:03,960
it's time to move on. Thank you.

839
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:08,640
Thank you.

840
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:19,960
This is the end of a long,

841
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:24,320
and as I am sure everyone associated
with this case will agree,

842
00:45:24,320 --> 00:45:25,960
exhausting road.

843
00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:28,960
In all the years
that I have been a judge,

844
00:45:28,960 --> 00:45:30,960
I have never come across a case

845
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,960
in which there have been
so many issues

846
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,960
or such complex issues
to be resolved

847
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,160
before a trial
could even get underway.

848
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:44,640
The family will inevitably
be disappointed by the outcome.

849
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:48,000
But they, I think,
should be commended

850
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:52,480
on the dignity with which
they have faced these proceedings.

851
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:56,960
Mr Rees, Mr Fillery,

852
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,960
Mr Glenn Vian, Mr Garry Vian,
please stand.

853
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,960
You are free to go.
SIGHING IN RELIEF

854
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:11,960
Verdicts of not guilty
have been entered

855
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,960
in all of your cases.

856
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,800
SOFT CHATTER

857
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:17,960
Thank you, all.

858
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,960
Court rise.

859
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,960
Your dad.
Yeah.

860
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:35,960
He was a nice man.
You didn't know him.

861
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:38,960
You made him sound nice.

862
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:44,960
GULPS
And...

863
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:48,960
..to Andy Coulson.

864
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:50,960
May he disappear
and never come back.

865
00:46:54,960 --> 00:46:58,800
I may as well tell you,
we're reporting it... tomorrow.

866
00:46:59,960 --> 00:47:03,160
Murdoch's going for full control
of BSkyB.

867
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:07,000
I did hear it was possible.

868
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:10,960
If he gets that, he'll be able to
leverage a serious amount of debt.

869
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:12,960
Buy more, buy bigger.

870
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:17,320
We're talking world domination.

871
00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:18,960
Why are you telling me this?

872
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:22,960
To remind you it's not over.

873
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:27,320
HALTINGLY: Remind me
that they cut Coulson loose

874
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,960
to save them their BSkyB business.

875
00:47:29,960 --> 00:47:33,960
It's... It's all a false victory.
Not false at all.

876
00:47:33,960 --> 00:47:37,960
Dissection is a slow process.
We tackle them...

877
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,960
..one limb at a time, and eventually
they run out of limbs.

878
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,960
Do they?

879
00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:50,000
I'm tired, Alan.

880
00:47:50,000 --> 00:47:53,480
I wanna go home.
Agreed.

881
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,960
We rest, we lick our wounds,
we take stock.

882
00:47:55,960 --> 00:47:57,960
No, I don't...

883
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,160
I... I don't think...
I think, on this story,

884
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:06,960
I think you need to find someone
to take over.

885
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,960
Sometimes you need to know
when to stop.

886
00:48:09,960 --> 00:48:10,960
SNIFFS

887
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,960
It's time to stop. I need to stop.

888
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,320
Sorry.

889
00:48:38,480 --> 00:48:40,960
EARS RINGING

890
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:49,480
KNOCKING ON DOOR,
GASPS

891
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:54,960
And I thought a bit
of fresh air might be in order.

892
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:57,960
No, I'm fine.
You're not.

893
00:48:57,960 --> 00:48:59,960
I'm all right.

894
00:48:59,960 --> 00:49:01,960
No, you're not, mate.

895
00:49:02,960 --> 00:49:05,160
There's someone I want you to meet.

896
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:08,640
He helped me.
I think he can help you.

897
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:12,160
Get showered, get dressed.
Not leaving till you do it.

898
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:16,800
I'm serious.

899
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:21,960
OK.

900
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,960
MUFFLED VOICES

901
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,960
Glen.

902
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,160
David Cook, Gordon Brown.
Gordon Brown, David Cook.

903
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:01,960
I know a lot about you, DCS Cook.

904
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:03,960
I appreciate you coming
all this way.

905
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,960
It's no problem.

906
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,960
I'm interested in hearing more
about what's happened to you.

907
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,960
I, er...
I think I might be able to help.

908
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:24,960
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